What's Inside Honda's New 8-Speed DCT 8 Speed Dual Clutch Transmission? | Full Teardown!

Ever wondered what’s inside the world’s ONLY dual-clutch transmission that uses a torque converter? Today, I'll tear down Acura / Honda's 8-Speed DCT to show you the internal mechanics and engineering behind this unique transmission and how it works!

Dual-clutch transmissions are known for lighting-fast gear changes, but they often struggle with jerky low-speed driving. Honda fixed this by placing a fluid torque converter in front of a twin-clutch setup. In this video, I take every single component apart, from the clutches, shifter forks, synchronizers, torque converter, valve body and of course the gear shafts themselves to show you the unique operation of this transmission.

A lot of people still wonder if Honda can make a good, reliable automatic transmission, given their lack of credibility with their unique Hondamatic designs and recent mishaps with the 9 speed ZF units. From a mechanical stand point, this 8DCT might be the solution going forward for low power applications.... if it wasn't for the dreaded CVT.

Honda's New 8-Speed DCT Uses a Torque Converter

Dual-clutch transmissions—essentially two parallel gearboxes that hand off power from one to the other, and do it more efficiently and quicker than either planetary automatics or conventional manual transmissions—seem like a dream technology for engineers seeking both performance and fuel economy.

But computer management of their clutches is tricky, and drivers accustomed to the silky launch provided by a torque converter-equipped planetary automatic are frequently disappointed by the driving dynamics of DCTs. The cars can lurch when trying to move at parking-lot speeds, and a DCT can make inch-perfect parallel parking frustrating.

Honda has traditionally built its own automatic transmissions (uniquely without planetary gearsets), a strategy that has led to its transmissions sometimes falling behind industry fashion in the number of gear ratios. In the case of the Acura TSX, that meant only five speeds at a time when six is standard and 9-speed automatics are available.

The 2015 Acura TLX replaces the TSX and the TL, and offers a ZF-sourced 9-speed automatic transmission (the 9HP) with the optional 3.5-L V6. The base car pairs its 2.4-L I4 with a Honda-developed 8-speed DCT, which features the novel twist of a torque converter in place of a clutch. Honda claims it's the first production DCT so equipped.

This gives the DCT-equipped TLX the smooth low-speed driving dynamics of a traditional automatic transmission with a gearbox that is more efficient, according to Chris Kipfer, the Assistant Large Project Manager responsible for drivetrain.

Honda's product planners and engineers interviewed drivers of cars equipped with DCTs, and “the main thing they talked about was how unrefined and unsporty they are,” said Kipfer. “The main issue is the low-speed launch.”

Incorporating a torque converter into the unit not only provides internal NVH benefits that help deliver the low-speed refinement most drivers seek, but its inherent torque multiplication boosts off-the-line acceleration. In fact, the TLX 2.4-L car accelerates to 60 mph 1.5 s faster than the TSX did, thanks in large part to the use of a torque converter, he noted.

The torque converter, supplied by Cardington Yutaka Technologies, Inc., is more expensive than a clutch for the same application. But DCT clutches demand use of a more costly dual-mass flywheel, so the torque converter solution is no more expensive overall, according to Kipfer.

The 8-speed’s additional ratios permit a much wider ratio spread than the old 5-speed automatic, contributing to the speedier acceleration and improved fuel efficiency. Where the old 5-speed’s lowest gear was an 11.768:1 ratio, the TLX’s DCT launches with a 14.084:1 ratio.

The DCT’s first seven ratios are all lower than those in the old automatic, while the eighth gear’s 2.212:1 ratio is higher than the 2.512:1 of the old one, for better highway fuel efficiency. This wider ratio spread contributes, along with changes to the engine, to the TLX’s four-cylinder scoring 2 mpg higher on the EPA’s city driving cycle and 4 mpg higher on the highway test.

The engineering team’s biggest task in developing the DCT was to optimize the transmission’s ability to change gears quickly, without hammering the car’s occupants with hard upshifts, said Kipfer.

“It was getting the feeling just right and making sure they are quick shifts without shocks,” he explained.

Naturally, the DCT has 33% quicker shifts than Honda's 5-speed automatic, but even when compared to the modern ZF 9-speed automatic used for the V6 TLX, the DCT retains an advantage in upshift speed, Kipfer said. Downshift speed for the two transmissions is very close, with a small advantage for the DCT.

Honda engineers are careful to never reveal future product plans, but Kipfer did allow that the company’s experience developing the torque converter DCT does make it interesting for additional applications.

“There is a lot of potential in it,” he noted.

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